tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6407220.post109647500297050922..comments2011-11-03T22:39:17.647-06:00Comments on DagArchive: My artful silenceAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04336286974067459325noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6407220.post-1097194442467948352004-10-07T18:14:00.000-06:002004-10-07T18:14:00.000-06:00Enjoying this discussion, thank you, even though m...Enjoying this discussion, thank you, even though much of it is over my head. I guess my comment is a cautionary one. In trying to articulate the character of poetry's picture-logic - how it manages to present something real or coherent or telling - there's a danger of imposing some kind of determinism. For me what primarily differentiates poetry from science & philosophy is its contingent Henry Gouldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06763188178644726622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6407220.post-1097009159438345002004-10-05T14:45:00.000-06:002004-10-05T14:45:00.000-06:00Something's been bugging me. I finally brought my...Something's been bugging me. I finally brought my copy of the Tractatus home from the office and looked it up. Early on in this discussion I had said: 'it seems to me that [Wittgenstein's] translators really did him a disservice here by translating "Bemerkungen" as "propositions" instead of "remarks". After all, this obscures an important connection between the Trac. and the Phil. Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04858865501469168339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6407220.post-1096980317199762912004-10-05T06:45:00.000-06:002004-10-05T06:45:00.000-06:00I think you've got a hold of something important h...I think you've got a hold of something important here. I've only got time for a short remark.<br /><br />Tony Tost once posted a nice, terse aphorism on his blog that ran (if I recall)<br /><br />The sentence converts grief into language.<br /><br />I think I'm saying that we're consigned to horizonal experience, there is always already a horizon . . . and an ecstacy . . . a Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04858865501469168339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6407220.post-1096952407031808122004-10-04T23:00:00.000-06:002004-10-04T23:00:00.000-06:00If Wittgenstein doesn’t so much teach us about rea...If Wittgenstein doesn’t so much teach us about reality but rather how to comport ourselves as thinkers, if his remarks have first and foremost an ethical intent, then you are quite right to raise concern that by talking about the infinite in poetry I’m constructing my poetics in an unethical way. While I agree that Wittgenstein would probably think I’m talking nonsense, you make a couple of Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07584826647352155190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6407220.post-1096916846605185362004-10-04T13:07:00.000-06:002004-10-04T13:07:00.000-06:00I’m reminded of T. S. Eliot’s closing remarks in “...I’m reminded of T. S. Eliot’s closing remarks in “Tradition and the Individual Talet” where he “proposes to halt at the frontier of metaphysics or mysticism.” It is actually by trying to understand this essay along with some of Frege’s papers on concepts and objects that I seized on the idea that poetry presents emotion, just as philosophy presents concepts. (I am not, let’s say, trying to Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04858865501469168339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6407220.post-1096837217845183152004-10-03T15:00:00.000-06:002004-10-03T15:00:00.000-06:00I hesitate to explicitly state "scientific" propos...I hesitate to explicitly state "scientific" proposition because the Tractatus also concerned itself with ordinary language propositions -- e.g., "Have you seen my glasses?" "Yeah, they're on the kitchen table." And I think your definition of a proposition as something which asserts the existence of states of affairs suffices to prevent us from mistaking it for a remark.<br /><br />I think you Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07584826647352155190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6407220.post-1096744608018854872004-10-02T13:16:00.000-06:002004-10-02T13:16:00.000-06:00No need to apologize, Jay. I like the way you wor...No need to apologize, Jay. I like the way you work. (And thanks for the plug on your blog, by the way.) I’m not sure I can offer you a disagreement here, but I’ve had a closer look at your rewrite, and I think some of your proportions are off, just a little. Try this.<br /><br />“A [scientific] proposition’s articulateness amounts to its being a picture of a possible state of affairs in the Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04858865501469168339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6407220.post-1096706563544018962004-10-02T02:42:00.000-06:002004-10-02T02:42:00.000-06:00There are so many good points here, and so many go...There are so many good points here, and so many good points in Thomas's posts, that it's difficult to choose what to (attempt to) respond to. But I suppose that's how conversations work -- one finds a few footholds in the speech of the other and goes on from there . . .<br /><br />So, to start, I think Thomas quite succinctly states what I tried to get at by denying a clear thought/language Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07584826647352155190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6407220.post-1096513869333493582004-09-29T21:11:00.000-06:002004-09-29T21:11:00.000-06:00Thanks for your post Gary. Just a quick correctio...Thanks for your post Gary. Just a quick correction. I wasn't quoting Wittgenstein on white chickens. To my knowledge he doesn't talk about white chickens. Wittgenstein says, "If you do know that _here is one hand_, we'll grant you all the rest" (OC§1) in response to G. E. Moore, who used the fact that he had one, even two, hands as a kind of epistemic bedrock. Something he "knew" and could Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04858865501469168339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6407220.post-1096481943775505632004-09-29T12:19:00.000-06:002004-09-29T12:19:00.000-06:00an honest thank you.an honest thank you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04336286974067459325noreply@blogger.com